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Nov 29th, 2012, 10:42am
 
Talk about a false sense of security. Our original Ranger, the Potting Shed, has been brilliant as a daily drive far and near while I work on the MkII Rickman. I've done six-monthly oil and filter changes, never topping up between times, replaced the odd set of wiper blades, tyres and steering balljoint and it just seemed to go on and on. Then last week Angie phoned home five minutes after leaving for her Hardy Plant Society meeting. 'The car's stopped.' We towed it back to discover a snapped cambelt had trashed the good old reliable 1.8 Ford diesel. That was when I thought about replacement, almost six years and 24.000 miles since I put the car together.
As soon as I've worked out how to kick myself up the backside I'll get busy with repairs.
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Reply #1 - Dec 1st, 2012, 8:19pm
 
Does that mean the head is buggered or the compleate engine,
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Reply #2 - Dec 1st, 2012, 10:20pm
 
Bad luck JJ, Im sure everyone would commiserate with you on that unwelcome disaster !  A " timely " warning to all of us running with belts. I think Id better look out the kit I bought some months ago  for my P100 powered S/Ranger. I think it differs from the Escort/Fiesta 1.8, and has a pulley that is not included in the service kit, I wonder if you or anyone knows this for sure?. Which Ford did your engine come out of JJ? as I see the alternator is mounted the opposite side to mine, and is that Ford power steering pipe connections in the pic, would that be easier to fit than the Corsa electric setup. Im sure Im not alone in eagerly awaiting the next installment in the " Handbrake" build , its very inspiring stuff. Ha! I like headline title in the photo, "Enjoyment!" Keep up the good work, regards,Tricky
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Reply #3 - Dec 2nd, 2012, 1:44pm
 
Thanks for sympathies. So easy to neglect a car that runs well. The engine donor was a K reg Escort. Seems there are loads of different ways that this basic engine is used. I do have a spare but it's a turbo and the head is lower compression so incompatible. Don't want to embark on a redesign with the Handbrake still unfinished.
Constraints of the chassis rails mean that the alternator, originally on the left, was moved to the right with a modified Mk2 bracket so that I could use the late Escort's original high engine mount that side and put a hydraulic power steering pump on the left, driven from a double pulley, with a new mount further back that side.
Hearing horror stories of snapped camshafts I inspected to see the damage was less than it might have been. Hoped to get away with a set of valves but when I took the second one out I found that the tappet had punched the side out of its housing. Found a normally aspirated 1.8 engine on eBay which should be with me next week. New belt kit also on order!
I should be back at the Handbrake build by now but it's just not my year. Got swatted by a dozy van driver at the end of October, straight into the side of me on a roundabout, wrote off the bike, category B, but amazingly only badly bruised me. He's admitted fault through his insurance company so that's going through, but I'm still limping about. Roll on 2013.
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Reply #4 - Dec 2nd, 2012, 4:35pm
 
That's not so good! darn timing belts! Angry
There bloody good engines to! Thats about the only thing that goes wrong with them. Iv had a few diesel escort fiesta vans.
A friend of mine snapped a belt on a escort van and he dropped off for me to have a look at. Right enough the belt had snapped tried to see if everything still turned over and it did so decided to try a belt on and away it went! he was very lucky!
Also very recently gave my brothers friend a hand with his escort van non turbo also snapped belt 2 bent valves! he got offered a turbohead cheap so we put it on changed the injectors and manifolds and its running fine.
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Reply #5 - Dec 2nd, 2012, 9:09pm
 
That's interesting Peter. I dug around a bit and phoned a friend. General consensus was that it would run with the turbo head, but not well. I even found an internet post from someone who said he'd done the change and the top speed was reduced. Maybe that was a different problem? Anyway I decided not to spoil the 1.8 turbo, which I know is a clean runner, in case I decide to fit it one day.
I must say that I have been very impressed with the normally aspirated 1.8 engine. If you let it rev the car pulls away surprisingly well. Into a strong headwind or towing you might need to drop into fourth to keep the speed up. Fuel consumption isn't bad either at around 45mpg when I last checked.
I did look for a P100 when I was planning the upgrade from a 1300 crossflow, but there were none to be had at the right price. (cheap!) Fitting the type nine gearbox was a bit of a fiddle. The standard alloy sump from a transverse engine can't be used because of the Mk2 suspension crossmember. In the end I modified a steel one. The oil pickup also had to be moved. But in the end it was worth the hassle.
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Reply #6 - Dec 3rd, 2012, 12:49pm
 
Interesting!  Undecided
As far as I'm aware the van Is going well.
I personally haven't drove it but it sounded like good one when it fired up
After being put back together!
When I originally got my blue ranger I thought of going for a 1800 diesel. Non turbo.
But ended up picking up a hole 2ltr mondeo estate at the rite money (cheap) and that was that!
Ended up with same sorta problems grafting on a tin sierra sump on and home made pick up pipe! Also rwd flywheel n clutch choices and ended up ignoring all of them and stuck with front wheel drive clutch and flywheel  but its in and it goes and should be fun and good for towing without drinking to much petrol Grin
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Reply #7 - Dec 3rd, 2012, 5:51pm
 
Yes, it does tow well. We regularly pull a trailer and, using a borrowed dolly, dragged the No.2 Ranger back here under 1.8D power. I won't claim sizzling acceleration but we did have to watch a tendency to build up to unwise speeds.
Anyway, it's Christmas here. (see below) I'll give the dismantlers a plug once I've made sure that their ideas and mine agree on what makes a 'good' engine. It looks okay and they were certainly quick to deliver. Here is the bare engine on a pallet as it arrived this morning. Since then I've got it unwrapped and sitting in the workshop with the modded oil pickup fitted and a new sump gasket ready. Looks like we're on course to turn our minor disaster into a rip-roaring success.

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Reply #8 - Dec 7th, 2012, 5:42pm
 
Progress report; all the parts are transferred to the bare Ebay engine, a new belt kit and gaskets are fitted and the gearbox is bolted up to a new spigot bearing. The transverse mounted engine doesn't use one and I decided not to be a cheapskate and transfer the old one.
One interesting point that emerged relates to the SKF belt kit which came with a new to me, style of tensioner. I changed one on a CVH last year and it was like the 1.8 diesel's (yes, six years ago, I know...) with a fixed idler pulley and a spring-loaded tensioner, which locks after setting up. The one I've just fitted has an eccentric-mounted idler and a spring-loaded tensioner with a pair of arrows which must be aligned by adjusting the eccentric. The interesting part is that the spring loaded spindle bolt doesn't lock the tensioner as before but still allows it to move slightly as the motor turns over. I was puzzled enough to phone my friendly local garage mechanic, Paul, who told me that it was meant to be like that.
So all going to plan I should be able to slot the unit back in the chassis this weekend.
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Reply #9 - Dec 12th, 2012, 5:24pm
 
She runs! A dodgy contact on the starter motor put things back for a day but the engine seems like a good 'un. The oil light goes out quickly and, if anything, it runs quieter than the old one. No trouble recommending engine suppliers Nottingham Ford Dismantlers. New antifreeze and rainwater in once I'd broken the ice on the water butt. Ran it up to temperature for 45 minutes, nipping out to keep an eye on things as I cleared up tools in the warm. Just a couple of leaks to address tomorrow and I can bolt the rest of the bits back and take a drive.


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Reply #10 - Dec 12th, 2012, 5:45pm
 
Modern compact digital cameras are brilliant for seeing into corners where a head won't fit. Here's one I took to trace the source of a drip on the heater hose when the engine reached working temperature.

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Reply #11 - Dec 12th, 2012, 5:59pm
 
Good stuff!
How much do they charge for a engine if you don't mind me asking and
Do you get a bit of warranty
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Reply #12 - Dec 13th, 2012, 8:21pm
 
HI Peter. I looked at recon heads but a realistic cost once gaskets and a new bolt set were added looked like being around 300, plus the belt kit of course. The bare engine was under 150 delivered. Add a 10 gasket set (no bolts or head gasket required) and it was still a clear winner. No warranty given but since the seller described it as 'good' you would surely have redress under the legal phrase 'goods not fit for the purpose for which they were sold'.
I got the front molding back today, sorted the leaks and tried another start. It spins up more readily than the old engine; interesting since it has the same pump, and changing glow plugs and injectors on the old one, admittedly for second hand, made no difference. It always had to churn over a good few times before it would fire up. I can't see any smoke either, aside from the usual puff on start up. Now I need to put a few miles on before I can hand the Ranger back to Angie with confidence.
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Reply #13 - Dec 15th, 2012, 3:20pm
 
Seems very reasonable! I Suppose it may cost more to send up here not that Aberdeen is classed as highlands but some couriers think anything past Edinburgh is highlands Grin
Definitely bare them in mind for future
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Reply #14 - Dec 28th, 2012, 9:29am
 
Whoops those 18TD's eat belts for a hobby, I built mine from 3 such disasters. two of which had taken out the head, cam, and cam carrier - messy.  It's worth replacing both the tensioner (included in the kit) and the idler pulley (not included and about 40 from Ford)

Second point the TD and non TD heads are the same, there are minor differences in the blocks, the mondeo / escort (intercooled TD) motors have slightly different pistons (stronger) and an additional oil spray too cool the underside of the piston. However the p100 / sierra TD is basically a NA engine with a turbo added. (source Ford 1.8TD technical data)
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